PFBC Adds 6 Waters to Keystone Program

foxtrapper1972 wrote:
As a fly fisherman I know that I am probably in the minority on this forum.

Ooh, so witty.

Something crass and sickening the way our natural areas are being "merchandized" as public according to license sales is losing interest. Kinda like some old whore who is trying too hard.

You do understand that license sales is how the PAFBC generates revenue. Heaven forbid you tax dollars be used to fund them. I can only imagine what you'd post them.


Won't debate spin vs fly but if you have any fishing experience you know the truth. By the way since this is a fly fishing forum I would think fly fishing would be held in higher regard but apparently not. A stream in this region with decent hatches is a very nice thing for those of us who like flyfishing.

What a bunch of arrogant, elitist nonsense. You won't debate because your argument would be nothing more than emotional, prejudiced babble and you know that.


Like I have said before (and this thread is a prime example) when you post a stream report on this site it won't be only C&R fly fishermen who see it so keep that in mind.

Guess who've I see more of on the stream as a direct result of online discussions/reports....

Fly fisherman.
 
By the way since this is a fly fishing forum I would think fly fishing would be held in higher regard but apparently not.

I am on this forum because I enjoy fly fishing (and learning more about it). Apparently if I don't hate spin fishermen I'm not a real enough fly fisherman to you. This snobbery and arrogance is one thing that turns me off from the fly fishing sport.
 
Vaughn wrote:
By the way since this is a fly fishing forum I would think fly fishing would be held in higher regard but apparently not.

I am on this forum because I enjoy fly fishing (and learning more about it). Apparently if I don't hate spin fishermen I'm not a real enough fly fisherman to you. This snobbery and arrogance is one thing that turns me off from the fly fishing sport.

Amen. I know a bunch of young guys who read this forum and they have not committed 100% to fly fishing. Elitism and making people feel bad is counterproductive to growing the sport! I fish with spinning gear about 40% of the time, sometimes because it is the right tool for the creek and sometimes because I fish with friends who are not fly fishermen (god forbid!! One of them is my 70 year old father). My son is 9, so is he a barbarian because I am teaching him the sport with a spinning rod like I learned? If you want the resource and the sport to be protected, hold fishing in high regard, period! Hold fishermen in high regard too. If someone fishes, you have much better chance of making a sportsman out of him or her....
 
With a year of retrospect, I think the PFBC can fairly regard the Keystone program as a success. Anglers, including FFers, seemed to have responded positively. Perhaps expanding the number of streams may diffuse the "success" a bit over the next couple years.

I've long been an advocate of the PFBC test-driving new programs and regs and, if they prove successful or popular, then keeping or expanding them (or tossing 'em if they don't work).

Obviously we'd rather see more special regs than more stocking in the current locations, but, as others have mentioned, the agency needs to look after all anglers, not just us FFers. Putting these big fish in DHALO areas so that they could be "utilized" by summertime was perhaps a compromise and indicative of the PFBC's old-school mentality that stocked fish should be harvested. At the same time, they opted to put these fish in areas were they would be released by most anglers and allowed to grow a few months before harvest. Fair enough, in my opinion.

It's worth remembering that the popularity of the Pine Creek DHALO section was the model for the Keystone program. This section of Pine is stocked with large, good looking, brown trout by a club. I suspect the PFBC fish used in the Keystone program are rainbows. The popularity of brown trout in Pine Creek should be noted by the PFBC, in my opinion.

 
Does anyone know what part of the Tully DHALO section this involves? I looked on the PAFBC website and could not find it.
 
I've suggested it before in other threads...time for a rumble with the spin-jockeys. Just need to agree on a neutral venue. The banks of the Letort in a wet Summer would be fun. Or a big mid river boulder on the Lehigh at about 2000 cfs.

^Edit - Sorry everyone, I meant to say spincasters. Need to use the politically correct term.

Either way, since I like to fish with both kinds of gear, I'll just get a front row seat, drink some beer and enjoy the throw down. Maybe fish a little when ya'll are done.

 
Swattie87 wrote:
I've suggested it before in other threads...time for a rumble with the spin-jockeys. Just need to agree on a neutral venue. The banks of the Letort in a wet Summer would be fun. Or a big mid river boulder on the Lehigh at about 2000 cfs.

^Edit - Sorry everyone, I meant to say spincasters. Need to use the politically correct term.

Either way, since I like to fish with both kinds of gear, I'll just get a front row seat, drink some beer and enjoy the throw down. Maybe fish a little when ya'll are done.

The first rule of jamboree is there is no jamboree? I will bring whiskey for me and the cuts...
 
steveo wrote:
Does anyone know what part of the Tully DHALO section this involves? I looked on the PAFBC website and could not find it.

I think this might be a mis-print. The DHALO stretch is Sec 4-5 (at least this used to be the case according to my records) and the section below the covered bridge to the mouth was Section 6. I think the Keystone fish are going in the DHALO section, but I'm not sure.

Mike could clarify this.
 
I thought the Tully was a great spot for this program.
Some people just find negative in everything.

 
Being a spin fisher/bait chucker for 25+ year of my life, this thread offends me.
 
I have nothing against spin fisherpeople utilizing the DHALO stretch of the Tully. Quite frankly, I rarely see one. I do think including the Tully in this program will have great appeal to the poachers that already frequent the same stretch. In addition to many nice 12" fish they now have the possibility to take home a 20" trout or two. Add in the occasional carp and random smallmouth or sunnie and you can really take home a nice stringer.
 
foxtrapper1972 wrote:
As a fly fisherman I know that I am probably in the minority on this forum.

Plenty of very nice trout are stocked in this creek every yr.
Why the need to turn certain perfectly nice streams into a destination/carnival for big stocked fish? Stock the fish and be done with it. I like big trout as much as the next guy. Spread them around. Something crass and sickening the way our natural areas are being "merchandized" as public according to license sales is losing interest. Kinda like some old whore who is trying too hard. Teaching beginners that it's about big stocked fish is a bunch of nonsense anyway.Take them to Limestone Springs if that's your thing.

Won't debate spin vs fly but if you have any fishing experience you know the truth. By the way since this is a fly fishing forum I would think fly fishing would be held in higher regard but apparently not. A stream in this region with decent hatches is a very nice thing for those of us who like flyfishing.

Like I have said before (and this thread is a prime example) when you post a stream report on this site it won't be only C&R fly fishermen who see it so keep that in mind.

Yeah maybe we can build a wall! It will keep all those bus loads of Amish who read the stream reports from getting on the Tully. We'll make them build it too!
 
Dave wrote:


Yeah maybe we can build a wall! It will keep all those bus loads of Amish who read the stream reports from getting on the Tully. We'll make them build it too!

Grab em by the buggies!
 
Foxtrapper1972 wrote:
As a fly fisherman I know that I am probably in the minority on this forum.

Fox,
First post you've ever put up that had me laugh. Nice job. Although I strictly fly fish for trout, I will chuck the spin rod for smallies and largemouth. I took DaveW down the Susky. From the rowers seat I chucked a spin rod. Dave is still alive and don’t believe he suffered any trauma (aside from the trauma of being trapped in a boat with me for an entire day). I started out spin fishing and did the same with my nephews. If / when they are ready to change to 99% fly, I’ll celebrate it. Right now, they want lots of fish on the line and spinning gear makes it more fun for them. I don’t look down on them for doing it either. What I have seen with spin guys (regarding trout)…… improper handling for C&R is more frequent as well as higher numbers on a stringer. As long as it’s within the rules, they’ve paid for the license just like I did. Might not be happy but perfectly legal. Instead of venom toward spin guys mishandling fish, why don’t you share info to make them more knowledgeable so they don’t injure fish or over harvest? Just sayin.

McSneek,
You’ve overlooked the random “calico bass” that is found in the creek as well as catfish, walleye, musky and striper hybrids up in the spillway. Now that's a fish fry!
 
I've never seen a spin fisherman on the Tully DHALO.

this is actually a good thing for the original 6 Keystone streams as it will reduce the pressure on them.

And if last winters experience was anything to go by, they already stock 18" bows on the Tully - I hooked one last year and Mike confirmed it.

 
I am glad to see this. Now that there is one within an hour of me perhaps I will give it a go. I support the program. In the bigger picture I hope that in time the PAFBC will waste less resources stocking over wild trout and instead invest them into creating higher quality stocked trout fisheries that actually need the stocking. I feel that programs like this (stocking more than one age/size of fish in a stream) could play a role in that.
 
I've been fishing spinning tackle since I was 4 yrs old. And I still do.

On the topic of kids.... and beginners I actually have a little bit of experience having raised three boys (now men) and all are anglers although only two were/are avid fly fishers.

With all the complaints I've heard on this forum about the first day tyopes and truck chasers I would've thought some would have seen how this is a similar "hyped" type of big fish thing they are promoting. If you are selling big fish as the reason to go to a certain stream I guarantee you will attract a very different type of angler than the usual spin or fly guy.

I'm going to see how it goes. I have taken my 10 yr old grandson there and he is learning the lost art of fishing a dry fly. He has actually hooked but not landed fish on every trip so far. When there are other fly anglers around they've always been very courteous and have often created a space for him and offered encouragement more than once.

The spin fishermen I've encountered there are another story. Kayak spin fishermen are a real treat.

But I certainly hope all you spin/fly guys enjoy catching the pellet pigs of the Tulpehocken come springtime.

If it ain't broke.....and so it goes. the tulpehocken was perfectly fine just as it was.
 
there really won't be that many fish - WCC had 20. 20 !

it's not like every fish you pull out is going to be 20"

and looking at the PFBC site, the DHALO in Section 6 is 2.01 miles not 1.9miles. so maybe the Keystone water is from the Red Bridge down ?
 
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