Biting Bugs

I appreciate knowing this. I got my first article of permethrin treated clothing as a Christmas gift and it never occurred to me that it might be a problem for our two 20 mo old kitties. There is virtually nothing in this house that they do not feel entitled to inspect and rummage around in. It's like a 20 hour a week job just to keep saving them from their nosy selves. Now, I know I also need to watch them with this shirt.

Damned fancy stuff anyway. I'm going back to all WW Sportsmans threads. They're harmless to our little sleuths.

Thank You!
 
I appreciate knowing this. I got my first article of permethrin treated clothing as a Christmas gift and it never occurred to me that it might be a problem for our two 20 mo old kitties. There is virtually nothing in this house that they do not feel entitled to inspect and rummage around in. It's like a 20 hour a week job just to keep saving them from their nosy selves. Now, I know I also need to watch them with this shirt.

Damned fancy stuff anyway. I'm going back to all WW Sportsmans threads. They're harmless to our little sleuths.

Thank You!
Commercially pretreated clothing is generally safe for incidental contact with cats, but they shouldn’t be allowed to nest/sleep/chew on any.

Permethrin spray for diy clothing treatment, can be extremely harmful or even deadly to kitties, bugs, fish (particularly trout), amphibians, etc. Diy treated clothing should definitely be kept away from even incidental contact with cats.

I don’t know of any fully accessible studies, but it’s well established that diy treated clothing isn’t safe to immerse in trout waters.

So never spray waders with permethrin, and keep its use limited to undergarments and stuff that doesn’t generally get dunked.
 
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Commercially pretreated clothing is generally safe for incidental contact with cats, but they shouldn’t be allowed to nest/sleep/chew on any.

Permethrin spray for diy clothing treatment, can be extremely harmful or even deadly to kitties, bugs, fish (particularly trout), amphibians, etc. Diy treated clothing should definitely be kept away from even incidental contact with cats.
After reading this, I'm not sure I want to wear clothing treated with it anymore
 
I wear my camo pants that have a tie string at the cuff. I buy Permethrin in concentrate and spray darn near everything with it. I've been using it for over ten years when hunting and fishing and, so far, have not had a tick on me. Or I should say make it to where it could cause me harm.
Just don’t spray your waders.
 
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Oddly enough I spray my clothes with deet and my arms.
I still catch fish and have some very old Cortland lines still going.

I don't know why someone would spray their hands, flies and fly lines.
Never spray hands, flies nor fly lines or tippets ... anything that can create a source for the smell of the repellents to be smelled/tasted by fish.
If you don't agree, fine.
But I did test.
The chemistry of insect repellents will cause fish to reject the fly.

For the test, almost to scientific standards - same exact place in the water (exactly same place), variety of fish species, each fish very visible for identification and estimated size, exactly the same fly.
Exactly same results.
The very affirming test was having spray remnants from treating arms and hands, etc., get on the fly by manipulating the fly normally to prep it for fishing, and doing so with fingers contaminated with repellent.
The application of repellent did not exceed normal means for, nor volume of, contamination.

In very clear water with several different species, including trout - wild and stocked - the effect of the chemistry of the insect repellent was without doubt repelling every fish species that came up to the fly.
Well hidden, I could see them easily within 10 feet. I could see their heads and mouths easily, and how close each of them got to the fly - carp, chubs, panfish and trout. They were coming to eat the fly, then each fish of each species stopped quickly when they got directly downflow and could smell it.
Each fish of each species was within easy consumption distance, but then they turned quickly away*.

The topic of the effect of chemical odors on flies has never seemed to catch on well in the flyfishing world, but it does matter.
Consider that it is well assumed by most bait fishermen that the odor/chemistry is critical. Not just shape, texture and dynamic.

Personally, consideration is strong that the rejection also can result from using certain materials in tying flies.

Just as well, some chemicals are attractants.
(But that issue as applies to flyfishing should be expected to continue to be an issue of strong discussion.)

*There were no other potential issues, such as "lining" the fish (having the tippet and leader touch the fish), to cause them to turn quickly when they got within a couple of inches of consumption.)
 
After reading this, I'm not sure I want to wear clothing treated with it anymore

Beats the stuff ticks carry. Or staying inside all the time. Way I look at it anyway.

I’ve more or less stopped using DEET. I’ve found its effectiveness against mosquitos is marginal at best, and it’s useless against blackflies, and I’d rather deal with a couple mosquito bites and/or try to manage to keep a cigar lit (don’t really enjoy them either) than deal with that stuff. Ticks are a different deal for me. Did Lyme twice, not fun.
 
Beats the stuff ticks carry. Or staying inside all the time. Way I look at it anyway.

I’ve more or less stopped using DEET. I’ve found its effectiveness against mosquitos is marginal at best, and it’s useless against blackflies, and I’d rather deal with a couple mosquito bites and/or try to manage to keep a cigar lit (don’t really enjoy them either) than deal with that stuff. Ticks are a different deal for me. Did Lyme twice, not fun.
I quit using DEET long ago too.
But from what I've heard and read, it still seems to be the best repellent for both
I'm still taking my chances with Picaridin and Permethrin
 
I'll say this, when you have the blood type that mosquitos are attracted to, or scent in the sweat or whatever it is these critters like, it isn't simply a few mosquito bites.

IMO and I've tested many products, Deet is by far the best mosquito repellent bar none.
You can test this by going to Chincoteague and trying various products.

I've managed zero bites when using Deet despite being surrounded by hundreds of the blood suckers. Using anything else, I always end up bitten.

Even if I buy into what vern posted, l'll gladly catch half the fish I could, just to not be a walking buffett for these pests.
 
Did anyone experience the Tachinid fly invasion of about 15+ years ago in North Central (Potter, Tioga, Clinton) ?

They didn't bite but they "alighted" on you by the hundreds and NOTHING repelled them...

We went the route of attaching a small piece of "fly paper" to the top of our fishing hats which helped, but those ba$tard$ were more annoying than any biting bug I ever encountered.
 
I usually wear a long sleeve shirt, regardless of how hot it is. I will use off deep woods sprayed under the brim of my hat to try to keep them off of my face, which works pretty well. If I do go with a t shirt i will spray off on my arms. Always spray it away from my fishing gear and never on my hands. I rarely wear shorts outside even around my yard because I hate getting my legs all bit up.
 
Beats the stuff ticks carry. Or staying inside all the time. Way I look at it anyway.

I’ve more or less stopped using DEET. I’ve found its effectiveness against mosquitos is marginal at best, and it’s useless against blackflies, and I’d rather deal with a couple mosquito bites and/or try to manage to keep a cigar lit (don’t really enjoy them either) than deal with that stuff. Ticks are a different deal for me. Did Lyme twice, not fun.
That sucks about lyme. Permethrin socks are a must for stopping ticks. If the socks are long enough it’s very unlikely a tick can survive a climb to the top.

As for blackflies and DEET, they just seem to ignore it. Picaridin repels them somewhat and permethrin clothing keeps them from landing for very long, but overall those buggers are just really nasty. I don’t think anything other than an actual physical barrier stops them completely.
 
I have a design set of clothing or two that I keep treated with permethrin. I treat my clothing at home. I have five indoor cats, and they've never been bothered by my treated clothing. I also wear these pants while wet wading. Once dry, I don't think there is much concern for felines or fish.
 
Whatever you use, don't forget... DEET (and some other bug dopes) = flyline coating stripper.
I usually just spray some Backwoods OFF on my hat and shoulders. I still get bit on the way to the water, but bugs tend to ease off when I'm out of the shade of trees and brush.
 
I usually use deet and/or picaridin...Though, there are some midge-or-smaller sized bugs that will ignore all forms of repellent and crawl on my face and bite. Tobacco smoke is the only thing at my disposal to keep them at bay. Having a smoldering cigar is wildly effective at keeping away all of the nasties.

Besides spray-on repellent, I'm a big fan of permethrin-treated clothing like bandanas. I keep one on me for heavy hatches & raise it if I'm really getting harassed. Extremely effective against ticks as well.
 
A quick scan of the internet and Pubmed - and quick- any reference to permethrin toxicity to fish or animals is in agricultural applications or spraying ponds to kill mosquitos. They refer to pounds per hectare and other large amounts. Toxicity is a relative term - most things are toxic at a high enough concentration and how exposure is carried out matters ALOT. Some treated guy/gal wading through a moving stream is almost certainly no harm. Adding it to crops and ponds, where it remains in place, is very different.

Spray away on your person and avoid many nasty insect causing diseases.
 
(As the father of a son who recently contracted and recovered from Lyme disease...)
If you have access to laundry, immediately change clothes when you get home and tumble your clothing in a hot dryer for >30 minutes - that's if you don't launder them right away. Ticks will crawl off your clothes and onto your bedding and upholstery. (You can't really do too much - even vacuum your car seats.)
 
Saw that you can buy at home Lyme tests now
Prick your finger and have the results in 20 minutes
Claim to be 90% accurate
Anybody try these yet?
 
I used Sawyer Picaridin 20%, I usually get the spray. The lotion works well too. I've used DEET in the past too, but I don't really think its more effective for blackflies, they are relentless.

Last June up in Maine this was pretty effective, along with lighter colored clothes, long sleeves when possible.
 
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