PA trout stocking opinion article

[afishinado]

https://www.abc27.com/local-news/pennsylvania-trout-stocking-critic-program-is-like-using-taxpayer-dollars-to-start-making-lanternflies-and-spreading-them/

 

[tomgamber]

I think we already did this. It didn't end well.

 

[troutbert]

So, there is a danger that brown trout could establish populations in PA streams?

 

[caddisflyer]

Segloch? Who cares? That stream is barely a trickle and already has Browns.

 

[CRB]

Pretty hard to turn back the clocks most of the brook trout in Pa have the genetics from the wide spread stocking after the lumber barons and wildfires removed most if not all the trees in the forests. Only a very few spots with old growth forests remain. Most of the streams were used for moving logs down stream to the mills or RR landings. These forests were clear cut the largest and prime lumber logs along with saplings, pitch props and chemical uses. PA fish and boat have been stocking the last 150 years. Very Very few spots have not seen stockings.

 

[joebamboo]

Time to put this puppy to bed!

 

[Cznymph]

Pretty hard to turn back the clocks most of the brook trout in Pa have the genetics from the wide spread stocking after the lumber barons and wildfires removed most if not all the trees in the forests. Only a very few spots with old growth forests remain. Most of the streams were used for moving logs down stream to the mills or RR landings. These forests were clear cut the largest and prime lumber logs along with saplings, pitch props and chemical uses. PA fish and boat have been stocking the last 150 years. Very Very few spots have not seen stockings.

Would you approve of a large factory polluting a waterway just because it’s been happening for a number of years?

 

[troutbert]

It's a good thing no one is stocking starlings, English sparrows, and carp anymore. Otherwise, they might establish populations.

 

[TimMurphy]

It's a good thing no one is stocking starlings, English sparrows, and carp anymore. Otherwise, they might establish populations.

Dear troutbert,

You mean like the colonial Europeans? Just couldn't resist. 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

 

[dudemanspecial]

I have been meaning to dig deeper to find out for certain, but I believe the taxpayer money he refers to was a covid grant and a one time capital payment or something along those lines, and the money was used to upgrade infrastructure, not for the day to day operations as fishsticks suggests in the interview.

If I am wrong please correct me.

 

[JeffP]

Segloch? Who cares? That stream is barely a trickle and already has Browns.

Me

 

[Swattie87]

Is this thread some sort of test?

If so, how do I pass it?

 

[JeffP]

And we thought Fishsticks was gone forever.

 

[caddisflyer]

Me

What do you propose to do to restore only Brook Trout to that stream? It is a shadow of what it once was. It is silted in and has barely any water and there are Brown Trout throughout it's length? What would be done and what would be the point?

 

[Tigereye]

🥱

 

[tomgamber]

Dear troutbert,

You mean like the colonial Europeans? Just couldn't resist. 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂

Hitchhikers. Not on purpose.

 

[JeffP]

What do you propose to do to restore only Brook Trout to that stream? It is a shadow of what it once was. It is silted in and has barely any water and there are Brown Trout throughout it's length? What would be done and what would be the point?

I just said I care. It's just sad what's happened there. I caught my first brook trout there. It's not just about the browns. It had a smattering of browns 50 years ago. I'm not looking to get into a big discussion about the Segloch again. You are right. It's a shadow of itself. I care. And things are about to get a lot worse if indications are correct.

 

[riverwhy]

Are there any Brook Trout left?

 

[JeffP]

I seriously doubt it. I'm talking about nationally.

 

[Swattie87]

It still has Brookies. The article sensationalizes it a little bit. But yes, there are still Brook Trout in Segloch. My guess is if you shocked it, it’d be about 50/50 numbers wise, but since we use biomass as the measuring stick, I think it is fair to call Segloch a “Brown Trout” fishery at this point. And probably also fair to call it a mediocre one, at best. But catch it over the warmer months when it’s up a bit, and toss a dry fly only, and you’ll catch some dinky Brookies along with the (relatively) larger Browns. If you put a nymph on, even off the dry, you’re just gonna catch Browns in those conditions.

The bigger issue, as has been much discussed on here, is the red sandstone geology making it difficult for the stream to make and keep good habitat as everything fills in with sand.

Been a few years since I’ve fished it. Not gonna burn a primo conditions day on it, but maybe I’ll give it a cabin fever outing this Winter. See if high water temporarily moved the sand around.